Why "we" get bashed

[StonerStudent]

When the subject of antigay attacks comes up, it seem that when looking for a "defense" most of the LGBT looks to goverment and new laws to defend them. And if I hear education as a means of curbing antiLGBT attacks one more time I'm going to scream.

1. People who murder people don't give a sh#t about the law.....and guess what that means murdering queers too.

2. They also already know that if they get caught...they will go to jail. So just what do our "leaders" think they going to educate them about?

From the two scumbags that murdered Sheperd and Teena to dragging to death of Bryd, all the preps knew that what they where doing was against the law. And if caught they would be spending a long time learning the joys of man-man sex in prison.

[StonerStudent]

So the real reason we get attacked has little to do with people hating us. And everything to do with.......being a easy mark. People who attack LGBT's are mean nasty violent scumbags....FIRST....The whole gay thing is just "good reason" for them. Look at Sheperd's murders playing the "he came on to me crap" why because they thought the court would cut them slack. They picked him out because they where going to rob him and because he was gay he'd be easy.

Kacer got jumped why? because the chicken sh#t bastards thought "hey she's a girl and a lesbian she'll be easy"....surprise dumbass

see the difference....I know you all do,now if we could just get the rest of "our family" to get it.

[Kacer]

Well, Stoner,

First remember at the time I was fitting into size 8-10 jeans, (now I'm 12-14 (thank GOD) so I WAS seen as a MUCH easier target than I would be now.

Bashers are BULLIES - PERIOD. Bullies do not "get" reason, they do NOT "get" kindness what they "get" is strength. They are the lowest form of predator... be bigger and/or badder than they are, you get a "pass"... bloody their nose, they retreat. What they want is a lesser being. Someone that they can push around, so they can feel "more than".

IMO it's all about the insecurity, we just TEND to be "easy targets" why? we "tend" to be a population thay does NOT believe in "fighting back". We TEND to be "liberal" which is typically seen as "pacifist" leaning anyway... and more than a few of us "watch the weight" as appearance is an issue... so at least the more "visible" queers are toothpicks. So the PERCEPTION is we are "weak" - then there are some of us that remove that belief and in the 2 instances I was involved in - painfully so. ;D ;D ;D

This is one reason I am so for the Pink Pistols concept, it is redefining queers as LESS than "easy targets".

[cougar]

I was checking through my bookmarks this evening to see if the sites or pages within sites were still active, and I came across this page from Washington Blade Online. It's a personal account of an attempted (and partly successful) gay bashing.

www.washingtonblade.com/2004/3-26/view/columns/love.cfm


Cougar

[StonerStudent]

Good article.........pretty much like about 50 I've read over the years.

"I stopped. Turned around. We were outnumbered two to one, and we had no weapons. What would I do? What could I do?"


and the statement pretty much covers it.

[StonerStudent]

"It would be easy to dismiss our attackers as violent thugs"

yep that's what I would call them....

"OUR ATTACKERS WEREN’T the cause of physical violence"

aaaah yes they where.....

[compulsive269]

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. So, IMO, education, which has many forms, is needed! Hurt the attacker and the attacker will think twice before committing an assault. Aarrgh, sometimes the only way to deal with hate is to send them packing back to the creator.

God, when creating this planet and the life on it, didn't labor to do so. Look at the diversity of life, color, shapes and life styles. When all this was created, diversity was a major ingredient. IMO, a party was thrown and the creator(s) of this world had a blast trying to out do the last entry of life fixed upon this rock.

Changing an attitude must start at the core of an individual or a group. Education and sometimes violence are used to start a shift in basic thought and belief.

Don't scream Stoner. By education, I meant changing the basics, like family violence, knowledge so a person can get a good job and also self-esteem. How many times are children beaten, teaching them that violence is okay, or worse, violence equals love! How do you think a person feels trying to make a decent life with only a third grade education! Boost self- esteem at an early age and watch the world change!

Grass roots anyone? Just make sure you have some bug poison, cause some bugs like to eat the roots of grass!

[StonerStudent]

Don't get me wrong educating the str8s on who we are and what we want and why is very important. But the bottom line is we have to defend ourselves while we are educating them.

[Kacer]

Stoner said:

From the two scumbags that murdered Sheperd and Teena to dragging to death of Bryd, all the preps knew that what they where doing was against the law. And if caught they would be spending a long time learning the joys of man-man sex in prison.

Yep, kinda lends creedence, IMO to the theory Bobcat Goldthwait had about gay bashers.... it went something like: "I hate you <punch>, you're a f#g, <punch> and I hate you because you're a f#g, <punch> and you're kinda cute <punch>, and I wanna f##k you <punch>"

;D

'Cause have you ever noticed that guys who just don't "agree" w/us are calm and rational and have solid reasons whereas guys like Mac froth at the mouth.... I think maybe he just needs some lovin' man... too bad he's in AZ, maybe we could hook him up w/Dave if he were in Ohio?

(Yeah, I'm eevil today I gotta figure out how to "legally" get the little grinning devil face ;D

[compulsive269]

I agree Stoner. Make peace and educate even if ya have to smack em around a bit. I've heard pain is a great teacher.

[Kacer]

Compulsive,

I've found that pain is, at times, and used properly a good "immediate" type of motivator/learning aid.

But even fear, IMO CAN be. Is it the BEST tool? Sometimes, yes, othertimes, not so much.

There IS no "one true way" - world is too complicated/diverse for the "one true way" concept. But arming "normal people", IMO is certainly PART of the solution.

Once bashers get the "message" that gay bashing is no longer as "safe" pastime, they'll find an easier, safer one.

[compulsive269]

Yup, fear of the unknown is especially effective, but only if that fear is backed up by a real meany, like actually using protection to hurt the attackers in defense of whomever. Evil intent? No, but willing to use a measured amount of force to stop the attack.

If you can't use a gun, knife, etc. don't carry one!