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Post by Stetson on Mar 16, 2005 14:06:54 GMT -5
There are only a few active posters. Havent seen Wayne here in a while. Heck, the Colorado topc has more posts than any other place.....
Come on people. I can only read this at work, and there is no new material
(Stoner Student and Kacer can ignore my rant)
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Post by Buckshot on Mar 16, 2005 20:37:53 GMT -5
Stetson,
Been trying, but I can only talk so much and generate so many subjects on my own.
Its nice to reply to messages once in a while to keep the thread going instead of having to start the thread and then try to keep it going every time.
Buckshot
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Post by cougar on Mar 16, 2005 23:34:37 GMT -5
I've been posting about various bashing crimes that have been reported on some LGBT websites. I think I should stop or people will think I have some kind of problem fixation with this subject. I'll try to find something better to talk about, like my favorite lever action rifles.
But if you think this is slow around here, you should see the site for StonewallShooting Sports Utah. We have over 240 registered members and in the past five or so months that the site has been up, only two members have posted to the site forums, one is the site admin and the other is me. I have no idea what's up with that.
Cougar
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Post by StonerStudent on Mar 17, 2005 2:32:46 GMT -5
Kacer and I have wondered the same thing with this board.......but then knowing "our community" it shouldn't be that big a surprise
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Post by Sapphic on Mar 17, 2005 3:13:08 GMT -5
I don't get in from work until late at night, usually about 11:30 pm. I have posted once or twice on this site before, but mostly I have just been lurking. I will try to post some this weekend. I am still learning about guns and shooting so sometimes I think it is better to lurk and learn. I always enjoy what I read here. I just renewed my membership at the local range. I am trying to decide whether my next gun purchase should be another handgun or whether I should try a shotgun or rifle. I have five handguns, but I have never fired a long gun. For the time being I will just have to enjoy my dilemma, since I used some of the money to renew at the range. What do you guys think? Should I stick to handguns or take the plunge and buy a shotgun or rifle? I don't hunt and I live in an apartment so I am wondering if a shotgun or rifle would be a good idea since my primary reason for being a gun owner is self defense. I believe that my 9mm and my .40 S&W are as much firepower as I need or want in an apartment this size. On the other hand I enjoy shooting and I am sure I would not let a brand new shotgun or rifle go to waste. I would appreciate any opinions or suggestions anyone has to offer. Sorry if this thread is rambling it is getting late and I am getting sleepy.
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Post by StonerStudent on Mar 17, 2005 4:41:52 GMT -5
Well you could split the difference and get a pistol calibered carbine. Beretta Storm would be a good choice and if you have a Beretta 92 you can use the same magazines.
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Post by Buckshot on Mar 17, 2005 23:48:14 GMT -5
Sapphic,
Check out the possability of a Hi-Point carbine in 9mm or .40 S&W to go with your handguns.
Not a high grade firearm, but I have had very good reports on them as far as working well and being accurate.
It won't knock the checkbook or plastic into terminal shutdown, either!
You can move it and get a good amount of your money back if you shop carefully to start with, and if you really like the carbines you can always go up the scale into something on an AR chassis or something else.
Buckshot
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Post by compulsive269 on Mar 19, 2005 5:42:07 GMT -5
Shotguns are always great for self defense. Just start pulling the trigger and spraying shot in the BG's general direction. This act alone should convince the intruder a crazy person lives here and a quick retreat is in order. Self defense doesn't mean killing someone, so scaring a BG away is okay. 9mm and 40s can poke holes in walls which might not be totally embraced by your neighbors. Shotguns, I think, have loads that are for self defense and for apartment living. Besides, you can always shoot trap with a shotgun too.
Anyway, check out a Marlin 30-30 or a Ruger 10-22. Two fun, low recoil rifles to plunk away with.
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Post by Sapphic on Mar 19, 2005 17:59:19 GMT -5
I think I may start with a .22 rifle. I went by the range today to pick up some hearing protection and while I was there I took a look at a couple of Romanian rifles that were on sale. I shoot at Sportshooters gun range in Louisville, Ky. The people there are nice and they never try to pressure you into buying the most expensive gun in the shop. I told them I was looking for a long gun that would take handgun ammo. I also told them I am still trying to work through a flinching problem. They suggested a .22 rifle for now. Then maybe I could move on to a High point 9mm. This seems to match the postings here so I think I will start with the .22 rifle and work my way up. Thanks for the advice guys. If you guys ever get to Louisville, Ky. let me know I would love to shoot with any of you.
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Post by Kacer on Mar 19, 2005 18:17:06 GMT -5
Sapphic, Have you hooked up w/the Louisville Pink Pistols chapter? Steve's the only one I know well, but IMO, he'd be fun to shoot w/ (one of those straight but not narrow folks )
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Post by cougar on Mar 19, 2005 23:42:38 GMT -5
Sapphic told us, with snippage: > I am trying to decide whether my next gun purchase should be another handgun or whether I should try a shotgun or rifle. I have five handguns, but I have never fired a long gun. (snip) I believe that my 9mm and my .40 S&W are as much firepower as I need or want in an apartment this size. On the other hand I enjoy shooting and I am sure I would not let a brand new shotgun or rifle go to waste. < Before you buy a long gun, I suggest you look at some accessories for your handguns. Do you have a strong lockable container for your current collection of handguns? I feel this is very important for all firearms owners. Among your carry-able self defense guns, do you have adequate holsters or other reliable means for carrying them? Do you have more than two magazines for each semi-automatic handgun that you own? Are all of your mags reliable? How much ammunition do you have for each gun? Personally I keep at least 100 rounds of anti-personal ammunition for each centerfire gun that I own, more for the rimfire guns. (I remember the L.A. riots of 1992 during which the city or county council decided to ban ammunition sales in their stupidly mistaken effort to affect the rampant violence in their city.) If you have revolvers, do you have speed strips or speedloaders? So what I'm really saying is to make your current collection safe, reliable, convenient to carry, and well stocked with ammo. I like the long guns that I have but I'm mostly now working on acquiring more holsters and magazines, and more storage space for the handguns that I do own. Finally, I too would recommend a 22 LR rifle which can be purchased inexpensively or, for around $400 or so, a lever action rifle in 357 Magnum or 45 (Long) Colt. Cougar
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Post by Buckshot on Mar 20, 2005 0:41:19 GMT -5
Cougar,
Can't really dis-agree with you, but can't completely agree either.
Yes, security, safety and equipment are needed for the primary handguns.
At the same time, Sappic needs to expand her shooting skills via moving in to long guns.
Split the difference, spend some money on the immdeiate accessory needs but go for the inexpensive .22 LR (If she is looking at the model I think she is talking about it should be $100.00 or less?) to branch out and have fun.
Everyone needs to mix a little fun in with the serious every once in a while.
Buckshot
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Post by Buckshot on Mar 20, 2005 0:47:29 GMT -5
Compuslive,
Shotguns are good for self-defense, but NOT AS GOOD as you seem to think.
Shotguns often hold only 5 or 6 rounds, so you can not hose off ammo with abandon.
They are much more over-penatrative than you seem to think, see the "Box of Truth" or whatever posted in another thread on this board. You have to work HARD to find shotgun ammo that will stay inside an apartment or even a house.
A .30-30 lever gun is NOT my defitinion of a low recoil firearm. The are short, light and tend to kick savagely! Especially when you get down to the straight stocked carbine models in .30-30.
Buckshot
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Post by Buckshot on Mar 20, 2005 0:57:30 GMT -5
Sapphic,
A .22 rifle is a good starting place for a long gun.
A .22 pistol (even a rental) is also a great way to work out a flinch.
Something that can really help is having a shooting partner that can go through "ball and dummy" drills with you. In a semi-auto they will sometimes load a live round and sometimes a fired case. In a revolver they will mix live rounds and fired cases in the cylinder.
This lets you see what is happening when you flinch. The .22 does not kick and you can quickly concvince your brain of the same. Then, with the help of your shooting partner you can work through and get rid of the problem.
Buckshot
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Post by compulsive269 on Mar 20, 2005 11:57:37 GMT -5
Buckshot, shotguns with a light load like #9 bird shot might do less damage to a common wall between apartments. I'm not really sure, but blazing away, like as fast as you can and screaming "I'm gonna kill you before the cops get here" at the BG usually unnerves anyone. Of course the home owner will need an extra firearm to grab and/or have a box of shells with the shotgun. I pity the neighbor sitting down with family for breakfast with a gallon of milk or O/J on the breakfast table. See the Box of Truth and the impressive water display when a bullet hits the gallon of water and picture a breakfast table setting complete with exploding milk jug. I don't even want to think of the obvious worse case scenario right now. Have a look at, www.theboxoftruth.com and then try and decide which firearm is best defense for an apartment. I simply want to point out that most everything tested blasted through several layers of drywall. So, if #9 bird shot would do less damage and the BG runs for his/her life and no neighbors are left bleeding or praying for divine intervention, then the self defense system worked. No? Heck, even a black powder revolver that belches 3 foot flames and lots of smoke should convince any nut case intruder that the time to leave is now! I also agree with Cougar, but would add that a cheap alarm system that installs by sticking components to walls, doors and windows might be a wise investment too. Also, completing a set (firearm)with accessories (extra mags and rounds and some way to carry everything ) is a smart idea. Any gun safe is a good idea too if it has some weight to it and a decent lock. Some BG's are big enough to simply pick the safe up and run away with it.
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