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Post by Wayne on Jan 1, 2005 0:06:00 GMT -5
B, Happy New year. *happy fire works smilie here* Al, , been there, done that, had to clean the t-shirt.. Hope you feel well soon. Wayne
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Post by Wayne on Jan 26, 2005 0:32:04 GMT -5
I think that many people of our history, weren't totally truthful in the history books.
The way I see it, who cares what a man (or women) is, but what did they do to further our future for the best.
Wayne
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Jan 1, 2005 0:26:30 GMT -5
Post by Wayne on Jan 1, 2005 0:26:30 GMT -5
My guests. I have decided to restricte the areas that non-members can go into but I feel that I should have a path for those that don't wish to join, a place to speak.
I welcome you all, no matter how you feel about gays and about guns.
If you feel the need to lurk or to not join, that is okay with me and I do feel that you need a place in order to comment if need be.
Wayne
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Post by Wayne on Dec 29, 2004 17:47:26 GMT -5
Thank you Gwen. Many in the GLBT community don't know about the Pink Pistols and that is the reason that I wanted to ensure that this issue was included on the board. I think that one of the reasons that I started the board was the way that many boards view the GLBT community. Don't get me wrong, boards like Family Friends and Firearms ( www.familyfriendsfirearms.com ) and The High Road ( www.thehighroad.org ) are very tolerate of all people (even me ) but it's more of an respectful aspect then one that you can be yourself (and use terms) that deal mainly with the GLBT community. They also don't understand some of the issues that affect our community. I hope that everyone just has fun with the board. Wayne Gwen, I edited your post so that the hyperlink worked to the Pink Pistol page.
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Post by Wayne on Dec 30, 2004 19:38:47 GMT -5
I have the board in my sig line of THR. I'm still not sure what my position is on FFF so I can't change it (my sig line), and I will try to drop off cards in the local GLBT community here. The only problem is that most of the Community here are so anti-gun (and most don't know why, it's 'Just the way it is' ) that it's hard to make them understand that they don't have to be in groups where they cry about being beat up or bashed, that they, like me, have the means to protect ourselves. You wouldn't believe the anger that was turned upon me at the last meeting that I was "allowed" to attend because we had a gay bashing on campus (I don't go to the college but they do have a GLBT group that I attended) because I bought up the fact that Oregon law allows CCW folks to carry on campus (no matter the rules of the university) and that it was up to them that this didn't happen again. They started to tell me that I was worse then the thug that beat the hell out of the member! And when they found out that I carried (and was carrying) I was told to leave and never return . This was when I was trying to start up a PP chapter here in Eugene (and still trying but even got the cold shoulder from PFLAG). Wayne
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Post by Wayne on Dec 30, 2004 19:05:01 GMT -5
The only thing that I can think of is to send out inventations to anyone that you know. There are a few folks that I know on THR that are gay but they haven't posted in awhile (hopefully due to they are fine but need to find a board that will be more their thing) and one on FFF (one that they don't know is gay so don't say anything over there).
Wayne
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Post by Wayne on Jan 11, 2005 22:23:33 GMT -5
Funny,
This is one of the things that have bothered me for a couple of years.
And, in the OT there were alot of things said and alot of things that couldn't be done.
In the NT, there is no mention of such and many things are not longer "verboten", like the eating of cloven animals, shell fish, etc..
In a way, the OT seems like it was directed to the Jewish people and the gentiles were kinda exempt from some fractions due to the way we were (barbarians back then). The NT included all, Jews and Gentiles alike and so many things that one couldn't do before, was *I can't find the words here*.
I don't know the answer yet but you all are helping out greatly on the subject.
Wayne
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Post by Wayne on Jan 11, 2005 22:25:43 GMT -5
I came out in the military and they did have a hard time with what to do with me. In my career field there was a storetage and such. I was still put out, under the classification of "personality disorder", to save me embarressment you know . Wayne
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Post by Wayne on Jan 12, 2005 22:59:56 GMT -5
I will admit that I don't let on at work, I do my job, get along with everyone, and just do a d**n good job (yes, I'm that good also ). But, (and my boss knows or suspects) I am me when not going to a job so I can work to pay some bills. We don't have any gay bars in the area that I know about (and it's "tolerate Eugene OR") and it's still a "bash to bash" gays. I hate the way that I am looked at as a "kook" when I mention self defense from those who are whining about this or that (and some getting the hell beat out of them) but if (when, it was a joke) I brought up becoming a member of MMM then I was "god" at that time with the greatest idea in the world. The last time I was at the University of Oregon, having a "fun feast" thing (I still have no idea what it was) and sitting around drinking our coffees the subject of what is the future of us. Of course the major that was voted down (gay marriage) was brought up but then gun control was made a subject. 99% of the folks in the room wanted gun control to gun bans and I was the only one to bring up that we can be secure and not be bashed but I was voted down and out of the forum. I am still trying to understand why they reacted that way. I tried to start up a local PP chapter, all I had that were interested were straights. I don't know if they wanted to be involved because they had a guilt thing going or really cared, but no GLBT wanted to join. Okay, I'm just going on and on here, no need for that. Just wonder what I need to do besides slap the folks upside the head and get some sense in them! Wayne
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Post by Wayne on Jan 11, 2005 22:41:11 GMT -5
Shun guns and go with the democrate way of thought? That we should relay on others for protection?
Here are my thoughts:
1. The police aren't made to protect you as was made clear via the SCOTUS. We are on our own.
2. What is it with the victimization(sp) aspect? That we are too "queer, lazy, etc" to protect ourselves?
3. Yes, we are more liberal (not me) about things but why would we follow a group that would take away our best means of protection from us? And how/why do we put up with it?
Not to include anything that may become racial or taken the wrong way but it took the African American community with guns and a heart of attitude (spunk) to go to the schools, drink from the same fountains, and ride in the front of the bus. They were armed and were full of power and want. Yet, like us, even today they would give up what they fought with.
Forgive me but sometimes I get so fed up with all the whining, the complaining, the horror of being bashed but that doesn't contend with the horror that I get (or the bashing) when I mention, buy a gun and learn how to use it.
We have to figure out, why do we have such an adversion to gun ownership and gun use? Hey, I am the "female" of relationships but I take my gun ownership and self protection as serious as any man.
What say you on the subject.
Wayne
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Post by Wayne on Jan 11, 2005 22:30:13 GMT -5
Just another reason for us GLBT to be armed at all times. From reading it, it seems as if the person that did the stabbing was "trolling" the gay web and picked a victem. It is alittle vague in the description of events. I will never be a victem (hell, I have the people that I meet to get an HIV test before I will go any further than a second date and especially before "then"). And if they wish to bash me, they will have to bash a Kimber .45 first . Wayne
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Post by Wayne on Jan 11, 2005 22:04:22 GMT -5
Kacer, Give me some more information on TFL and their shutdown of the topic. I need to remember (okay, have my pw sent to me) again since I emptied out the cookies on my computer when I went to XP. I'll talk to Rich personally on the matter. As for how tolerate some boards are, they are "tolerate" but they aren't. They say they are but if you joke about "sex" that is even mildly gay then they have a problem with it. But if you talk about big breasted women (most are men on the boards) and what you would dream about then that is okay in their eyes . Wayne
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Post by Wayne on Jan 11, 2005 22:07:47 GMT -5
Smithers is a given but if they have a "twist" then I would say.. bart. He likes milhouse alittle too much if you know what I mean and he's always trying to prove that he is "mucho" and such.
Lisa, no, I think that she will become a greenny (earth person) hermit that sends all day playing the sax and lives in a commune.
Magie will always be in diapers and sucking the pacifer until she's as old as old.
;D
I love playing these games.
Wayne
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Post by Wayne on Jan 11, 2005 22:15:41 GMT -5
Well, you have to admit, gay men do make the best models ;D.
Oh, and Stonerstudent, I've seen your pic ;D ;D oh yeah ;D ;D
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Post by Wayne on Dec 30, 2004 19:17:45 GMT -5
I've been told by most women that it's the hips that get in the way of IWB being comfortable.
From the women that I've talked with they will have a IWB around 430 (in the kidney area) but still doesn't feel right, just something that you get used to.
I find my hips to be boney and I carry a 38oz 1911 at around 430 with a slight cant. DeSantis holster but the secret is the belt (get a wide one that is stiff) and maybe a pair of suspenders.
Your wardrobe is another thing in itself. I wear a fanny pack or a camera case when not at work, at work I went with the wimpy ankle holster with a .44 special and the 1911 in the car. But I have been trying out new things, wearing an undershirt (t-shirt) with the gun/holster on that and the belt and then tucking in my outter shirt around the holster straps and then "puffing" my shirt out.
If you don't have a problem with ice and such you may try back carry but I've heard that if you fall on the gun that it will do damage to your spine. Or maybe even 1 o'clock in the front.
I've found that it takes alot of time to find your confort zone or your tolerate zone. The anti's think that we just "strap on a gun" and go out, they don't realize how much of a problem it can be (depending on what you have to wear, etc..) and that we do it because we know the dangers out there and that we have to be prepared.
Wayne
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