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Post by Buckshot on Apr 24, 2005 22:27:51 GMT -5
Compulsive,
Winchester's automatic opinion is going to be against reloading. They don't beleive in it for their guns even though a branch of what used to be the same compnay sells components.
Also, be advised that you will actually be talking to USRAC, they make Winchster marked firearms now, Winchester Repeating Arms Co. no longer exists as such.
If you look around on the internet you can date it by serial number.
Check out some Cowboy Action Shooting sites, you can find good loads in both smokeless and black powder that should work well.
Generally black powder is harder to load (more steps, more things that must be done on a more exact basis, less forgiving of different kinds of tools) and clean up than smokeless.
Buckshot
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Post by Buckshot on Jan 7, 2005 0:13:06 GMT -5
Sapphic is very right about the .40 S&W NOT being for beginners.
When doing CCW training, the .40 S&W generates the MOST complaints about recoil and "sharpness" (the way the recoil is delivered). The only other firearms that come close to this for complaints are the blowbacks shooting the 9 X 18 Makarov, and mostly the FEG guns more than the Maks themselves.
Sapphic, have someone work with you at the range with your .22/45 and do "ball and dummy" drills with the helper loading the pistol. Part of the time they load it normally and part of the time they put a fired .22 case into the chamber as the first round.
This will physically SHOW you the flinch and the lack of recoil with the .22/45 will help to let you eliminate the flinch.
Buckshot
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Post by Buckshot on Jan 4, 2005 4:34:17 GMT -5
Not going to list what I have, too much paperwork in the first place and not always good idea in the second place.
I do have a nice tight collecting area, though, Infantry Rifles.
Got my C&R FFL so I didn't have to feed the middleman.
Also collect anything else that strikes my fancy.
Got all the guns to look at cowboy shooting, then didn't get into it. Guns got me into Civil War reenacting, and almost WW II reenacting before that.
Getting the idea?
Buckshot
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Post by Buckshot on Jan 22, 2005 23:14:09 GMT -5
SS,
I know what you mean about some of the junk they hang on shotguns.
My 870 is really tricked out. Factory smothbore rifle sight deer barrel and a set of detatchable sling swivels.
That is it.
Buckshot
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Post by Buckshot on Jan 22, 2005 1:51:03 GMT -5
SS,
Too odd to be useful, or just strange?
Lots of this stuff, if you look at it objectively, is just too off the wall to work.
Buckshot
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Post by Buckshot on Jan 21, 2005 0:06:47 GMT -5
Just got a Cabela's 2005 Shooting Catalog today.
Flipping through it, I found something that looks really strange.
Knoxx Sidewinder Conversion Kit. Fits Mossberg Pump shotguns in 12 ga..
Provides for 10 round drum magazine or 6 round box magazine to be used on the Mossberg 12 ga. Shotguns.
Looks like it mounts to the mag tube in front of the receiver and hangs down between the foreend (they provide a new foreend with a handle that looks like part of a PR-24) and the receiver.
Buckshot
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Post by Buckshot on Jan 4, 2005 4:43:16 GMT -5
I will try most anything, as long as I feel good that weekend.
Smallbore and High Power rifle.
Smallbore and bigbore pistol.
Muzzle loaders.
Don't do much shotgun, get too much flack at the traps. My favorite is a 20" barelled 12 ga. coach gun, it freaks trap shooters out!
Buckshot
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Post by Buckshot on Jan 18, 2005 1:00:32 GMT -5
My first 870 was a used police riot gun. Let a buddy talk me out of it.
Then I went for an 870 Express 12 ga. 20" rifle sight smoothbore deer barrel. Had a 28" modified barrel I got a deal on left from the previous 870 and I added a 20" rifle sight fully rifled deer barrel so far.
There is a reason the 870 is the #1 police issue shotgun in the nation, it is robustness and reliabiility.
The Stoger/IGA is a Coach Gun 20" barrels choked IC & M. Got it for Cowboy shooting. Can really freak people out though, NYC used them for years for their detectives.
The most fun for blasting, though, is the M1897. NO DISCONNECTOR! Hold down the trigger and PUMP!
Buckshot
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Post by Buckshot on Jan 17, 2005 23:02:56 GMT -5
spacemanspiff,
I stay away from the Winchester 1300 shotguns because of the number of them I have fixed over the years.
There is a plate screwed to the bottom of the bolt (IIRC, it is either the connection to the operating slide or part of the locking system) with a very small screw.
I have fixed at least 5 of these. The little screw breaks, usually with part of the screw in the bolt. They shear off.
Then they have to be drilled out of the bolt and replaced. I always used a much bigger screw, a #8 screw when the original was probably a #4 or #5 screw, definitely smaller than a #6 screw.
The original screw had to be carefully drilled out and then re-threaded. That forces a replacement screw as drilling out the part in the bolt wrecks the factory threads. Then the plate has to be drilled out larger and re-counter-sunk.
My favorite, the Remington 870 does NOT have a small weak link like this one, that is why it is my favorite and the #1 shotgun used by US police.
Buckshot
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Post by Buckshot on Jan 17, 2005 22:53:56 GMT -5
Tweak,
WHAT antiques and black powder guns?
Buckshot
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Post by Buckshot on Jan 15, 2005 21:31:02 GMT -5
SS,
I would like to get together sometime and shoot the Benelli.
Not too much for "running and gunning, though. I don't run worth a d**n any more, have not run in years.
We shoot MPPC and IDPA matches but very little movement is permitted.
Buckshot
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Post by Buckshot on Jan 15, 2005 2:19:56 GMT -5
SS,
I have never shot the Benelli. Never shot a Rem 11/87 or the Mossberg Jungle gun either. Last semi-auto I shot was a Rem 1100 12 ga. trap back before the 11/87 was even introduced.
Just didn't like all the stuff to dink with to get it to work. 870 operation much simpler than loading mag then hitting lever to charge and all that stuff.
Then they got into off the wall stuff like the old SPAS. Too many operating methods, too many controls, some of them redundant and some very counter-intuitive.
Very seldom shoot trap, have been run off the trap range and told to go back to the rifle range where I know what I am doing.
One of my few good rounds of trap was fired with my Stoger/IGA Coach Gun 12 ga. 20" barrels, IC and MOD. Used the MOD barrel and got 15 out of 25 birds. Took a lot of crap about "where did you leave the other half of your shotgun" and that kind of thing. Best think to do about that is to shoot right beside the guy making all the snide comments the next time out. Short barreled shotgun on the trap range is just like shooting next to an obnoxious muzzle brake on the rifle range!
Most of what shotgunning I do, except for a small trip into cowboy shooting, is done with buckshot or slugs.
The 870 is the bulletproof pump for serious use. The old M1897 Winchester is the nostalgia gun and "shot hose" when you get mad and hold the trigger down!
The side by side is fun and will "make the perp's eyeballs enlarge" when used in a serious manner. Something about that large sideways figure 8 just seems to do it. Buckshot
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Post by Buckshot on Jan 15, 2005 1:44:36 GMT -5
Kacer,
You get up this way we will have to work on fixing that.
Buckshot
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Post by Buckshot on Jan 14, 2005 2:01:54 GMT -5
SS,
Just can't see the need for the self-shuckers here.
Don't want the added complexity and BS involved either.
Buckshot
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Post by Buckshot on Jan 14, 2005 0:26:07 GMT -5
I will put forth that the three standard defensive shotguns are as follows:
Modern: Remington 870
Classic: Winchester M1897
Don't ignore: Side by side "Coach Gun"
Make any of mine in 12 ga.
What say you?
Buckshot
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